Monday, 13 May 2013


As you will recall from the last Newsletter, prior to the lecture there will be a Dating Old Welsh Houses members' General Meeting at 2.00 p.m. We hope that everyone will be able to attend for the whole afternoon at Y Pengwern, Church Square, Llan Ffestiniog LL41 4PB..

The programme is as follows:

2.00 p.m. General Meeting
1. Welcome by Chairman.
2. Apologies.
3. Chairman: Summary of recent events & financial position.
4. Secretary: Outline of aims for 2013-2014.
5. AOB. (if you have an item please phone me at least a week beforehand.)
6. Date for 2014 AGM.

2.30 p.m. Refreshments
Viewing of leaflets & displays, website presentation, distribution of completed booklets.

3.00 p.m.Open Annual Lecture given in English. "Who Built the Old Houses of Penmachno: a social & economic background to C16th Snowdonia" by Frances Richardson, historian. ALL WELCOME.

Further viewing of displays etc


Monday, 8 April 2013

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News Update:


The 5th April 2013 visit to the cruck-framed hall of Plas Uchaf, near Corwen,  was a great success. David & Sue showed us round & let us look at the file with amazing pictures of the place as virtual ruin before its restoration. The aisle trusses are magnificent, and it was great to see the louvre truss, cusped windbraces and the window shutters. The building has been dendro-dated to 1435. Our local Denbighshire Branch hope to incorporate its history into their research into early estate development in Edeyrnion.

















Next Event: Remember to book your place for the visit to the National Library of Wales in May!

Monday, 18 March 2013

Annual Study Tour

Details of the Members Annual Study Tour are available online at 


The last date for booking is 29th March 2013



March Outing: Guided walks to Cefn y Fan

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March Meeting
Tues 12th March 11.00 a.m. Guided walks to Cefn y Fan


The March meeting was very enjoyable. We trudged across several frozen fields in bright sunshine until we reached the low ruins of Cefn y Fan, home of an important local family until 1403. That was when it was burnt down during the Owain Glyndwr uprising. We discussed the findings of the 1950s excavation, and wished it could be excavated again with current techniques.


We debated possible sequences within the building, and then went to a local cafe for refreshments. In the afternoon we stopped at the motte & bailey castle mound at Dolbenmaen before visiting the old settlement site near Gesail Gyfarch farm. Again we inspected the scattered remains of the footings of "platform-type" buildings in bright sunshine but a bitter wind. Then we had a quick look at the early Christian Inscribed Stone by the current house, and inspected the exterior of the early 17th century Snowdonia-plan house in the farmyard. In all. a very good outing!


Tuesday, 19 February 2013

Visit to Y Vanner, Llanelltyd, Dolgellau,

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Visit to Y Vanner, Llanelltyd, Dolgellau, 17th January 2013


Y Vanner is the abbot's house for the Cistercian Cymer Abbey and has a tree-felling date of c.1440. The abbey was founded in 1198-9 and the 15 members attending this visit were firstly able to explore the abbey remains before entering nearby Y Vanner.
 We were welcomed to the house by Mrs Nia Rowlands, who proved to be a fount of knowledge . We first entered the main hall, now the family living room, and Mrs Rowlands pointed out the various great beams overhead that had been removed from outbuildings and inserted into the ceiling when the first floor was put into the house. Upstairs there were more beams again, the roof timbers showing the decorative work that one might expect in a building of this status.
Whilst we enjoyed a much needed cup of tea and biscuits Mrs Rowlands responded to questions from the group, including queries about the derivation of house names. She pointed out that Y Vanner is not a Welsh word and observed that there is an argument for the listing of house names along with the building itself. The benefit of this would be the preservation of associations that might otherwise be lost to those investigating house histories.
 This was an enjoyable and informative visit and those attending must have considered themselves lucky - the following day brought heavy snow to much of the area!
Wally Barr

"Gold under gorse, silver under bracken"

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"Gold under gorse, silver under bracken"

Talk By Nia Powell (Lecturer at Bangor University) 9th February 2013

The talk at the Canolfan in Capel Curig was well attended, with just under thirty people coming to listen to Nia give her lecture in Welsh.
The presentation comprised various maps and photographs to accompany Nia's account.

The focus of the lecture was on the prosperity of the upland areas of Wales in the early modern period. Nia described the common view put forward by many over the centuries (and still today) - of Wales being a back water, comprised of farmers barely able to provide for their own families - a subsistence economy. This view has been portrayed in oral accounts, writing and also maps. For instance, we were shown a map of Wales where the country was depicted as being wholly mountainous, and those mountains were coloured black. Wales was a wild, poor place.

Nia then proceeded to challenge the above perceptions, citing examples to prove that farmers in upland Snowdonia appeared to be relatively wealthy. There is evidence that they kept abreast of changes in the wider society and responded to market changes. Useing a cluster of farmsteads in the Beddgelert area in the 18th century to illustrate the wealth of upland families.Nia explained that  their wealth arose through their farming of black sheep as well as cattle. The black sheep were kept for their 'sweet' meat and this was a response to the recent upturn in demand for mutton.
There were some examples of the gentry, like the Wynns of Gwydir, heavily in debt, borrowing from these upland tenant farmers.

So, I came away from the lecture thinking how this alternative view put forward in Nia's lecture answered many of the questions that have circulated in the Dating Old Welsh Houses Group. Particularly it answered the question often voiced - "Where did they get the money from to build such beautiful houses?"

Margaret Barr

Monday, 14 January 2013

Aur dan yr eithin, arian dan y rhedyn


Dydd Sadwrn Chwefror 9fed Darlith Gymraeg: 'Aur dan yr eithin, arian dan y rhedyn': Llewyrch y tiroedd uchel yn y cyfnod modern cynnar gan Nia Powell, darlithydd ym Mhrifysgol Bangor. 2.00 p.m. Y Ganolfan, Capel Curig. £5 y pen.

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